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Life cover simplified – you’re either alive or dead

Advocates for advisers' having a role to play in all types of insurance cover are talking "absolute nonsense" according to Pinnacle Life managing partner and founder Noel Vaughn.

Thursday, October 13th 2011, 12:45PM 13 Comments

"We're of the view that term life insurance is a commodity product, or approaching commodity status, rather than a personally tailored status. I think the banks themselves, with the hold that they've got in the market, are a good illustration of that," he said.

Referring to the argument that an adviser's expertise should be sought when obtaining insurance, Vaughn said "I think there's segments of the market where that's an absolutely valid statement, and I think there are other segments of the market where it's absolute nonsense."

Vaughn also said the arguments in favour of having an adviser on board at claim time are of varying validity depending on the insurance product in question.

"I think if you're dealing with things like income protection I think that's very true, I think if you're dealing with disability insurance and some of the trauma stuff I think there's an element of truth in that, I think when you're dealing with life insurance, well you're either alive or dead, there's no debate about the issue fundamentally."

The role Vaughn sees Pinnacle occupying is to target the growing, computer literate, younger generation by offering simple insurance products.

"We're getting the computer savvy people who trust themselves to do things online, they buy other products online so why not their life insurance?" he said.

One factor he said was essential to the success of his no-advice, online model was speed.

"If you're in the online space it's about immediate satisfaction if you can deliver it, so you've got to be able to offer the client something rather than go into the underwriting loop which is the big problem with the industry."

Vaughn said this was one area, especially with more complicated policies, where the adviser certainly had a role.

"The brokers actually are better at that because they keep that communication with the customer going over that long time period, so when you're in our end, the commodity end, speed is of the essence."

He was also dismissive of suggestions people could find themselves with inadequate cover using the no-advice model.

"If you offer people the commodity option, they buy what they think they need rather than being persuaded they need three times the amount and all the Rolls-Royce benefits."

Vaughn is clear that the Pinnacle model works largely because he shies away from these 'Rolls-Royce' options.

"We've gone for the base products because commodities deal in base products, they don't deal in the add ons. We have a base trauma, we don't have the full range of trauma products, we do lump sum disability but we don't do disability income, the stuff that gets complicated and there's subjective judgement involved is the area where you need brokers and you need insurance companies that have got the capacity to deliver in that area."

"The brokers have their place in the market, we will never supplant that, we don't intend to, but equally I think there's a place for us," he said.

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On 13 October 2011 at 1:44 pm GA said:
I have just assisted with a death claim (after normal business hours) for a wonderful man who had just lost his wife. I worked extremely hard and quickly to help him locate documents and provide details to the insurer who paid a bereavement benefit very quickly. I was so pleased to have saved him time and angst.

Thanks to the speed of the insurance payout he was able to give his wife of 30+ years a good send off. He is absolutely thrilled with the service and he doesn't think he would've coped if he hadn't had a willing and motivated adviser on his side.

...and he wasn't even my client. His wife had purchased insurance direct without an adviser.

Sure - death is death but advisers can make a hideous time a whole lot easier and less stressful.

I understand that you're selling a commodity but your advertising is truly cringeworthy and quite unfair on the many advisers who enjoy our role and actually like human contact.

If you're so thrilled with your product - sorry, your commodity - why the need to bag advisers and competing insurance companies?
On 13 October 2011 at 1:52 pm Mark Jory said:
What he says does have some validity to it, but ...

... you don't know, what you don't know!

I believe that a 20 something buying Life Insurance online will buy based on price - what they can afford - not after any analysis of what they need.

When they suffer a significant illness or a permanent disability, a Life Insurance policy will pay them nothing!

Might they ask the Life Insurance company, "But why didn't you tell me there are other insurances available which would have paid out even though I'm not dead?"

If the client doesn't know about living insurances, who is going to tell them?

Not Pinnnacle Life I'm guessing.
On 13 October 2011 at 3:13 pm Dirty Harry said:
I'm am sick and tired of the pinnacle coverage on here. How many other companies get so much page space on this site? Stuff them, stuff their adverts and stuff anyone who buys into it.

The typical reader of this site knows that these turkeys are out to stir us up. At the end of the day they occupy a tiny segment of the market, and always will. That tiny segment of people who decide to buy insurance of their own free will, and who actually go online and look. The rest are referred or found by us advisers. That pie is huge, so get out there and get a slice of it!
On 13 October 2011 at 3:28 pm Amused said:
Agree with both GA's and Mark's comments above. The biggest advantage for a client when dealing with an adviser (as opposed to going online) is our knowledge of what cover clients do actually need for their own individual circumstances. Time and time again I see couples who only have life cover with no thought given to what would happen to them if they couldn't work and earn an income. Quite scary when they often have a large mortgage, 3 children and only one income to live on!

Pinnacle Life (and any other online life insurer) will never capture more than a small percentage of the NZ market for the simple reason that most kiwi's will never have the personal responsibility to get off their behinds and secure cover for themselves and their families. Yes this might sound a tad harsh but as anyone who has been in the insurance industry for a while will know from experience it’s the God honest truth.

The biggest role insurance adviser’s play in NZ is making sure people do actually secure cover in the first place! In this sense advisers offer a key public service to NZ society.





On 13 October 2011 at 5:12 pm Mortgage Broker since 1999 said:
First of all Vaughn you are saying that life cover is straight forward as you are either alive or dead (fair comment), however on the other hand you state that for IP and full trauma cover then clients may be better off using an adviser.
The problem is that your target market is the computer savy Y generation (single young people) and i personally believe it is more important for these type of people to have IP and full trauma cover rather than life cover (Special events increases on life cover is great for this).
If you have set up your business plan in this way (and as stated by you then you have)then good for you.
However if I did this the then FMA would come down on me like a ton of bricks and so rightly they should.
On 13 October 2011 at 8:09 pm Wazza said:
Back in the bad old days when I should have known better I had a client I placed with Pinnacle Life because all that mattered to them was premium. The client died in his sleep at home 9 months later. With all the required information available Vaughan's so called "your'e dead or your not" was more like you are not dead until we say you are. After weeks of them referring to their reinsurer, the widow got paid where had the deceased been insured by one of those "old fashioned insurance companies" she would have been paid within days not weeks. Shame on me.
On 13 October 2011 at 10:51 pm Barry Milner said:
Frankly, I'm heartily sick of these parasites at Pinnacle Life and their obnoxious advertising. They encourage people to bypass the advise process with all the implications that has for the financial security of those involved and I dare not guess at the the number of times they have stolen business and commissions from decent, professional advisers who have done the hard yards only to have a policy holder switch for a 20% lower premium from Pinnacle. When Noel Vaughn was Gen Manager of NZI Life he would have been apoplectic had Pinnacle Life pinched advisers' business in the way they now do at his behest. Shame on him and all who sail with him, may they sink without trace and soon.
On 14 October 2011 at 10:43 am Mike King said:
Well said, Barry! I work through a client base that carries a LOT of Pinnacle, due to the previous adviser seeing a new 75% commission as being superior to selling for 3 x renewal. Pinnacle pays no renewal so the policies are acquired at zero cost to an adviser. I take great pleasure from time to time in rolling business FROM Pinnacle to a reputable insurer.
On 15 October 2011 at 10:29 am Murph said:
I too find Pinnacles' advertising abhorrent! Shame on them for the way they portray reputable insurance companies in their advertising. Can I suggest, Noel, that in your next ad you tell the public how you can offer a discount, by letting the reputable companies pay all the costs of underwriting the new policies, thereby letting others do the hard and, expensive job of policy completion. I have had no clients swap to Pinnacle as they find the practise distasteful. Nice to see so many with that type of integrity. If only more were the same!
On 17 October 2011 at 5:16 pm Gen Xer said:
You people don't seem to realise they likely get a big chunk of their business from follow ups by their tame advisers. Once you've sold the "commodity" life contract you've got someone to talk to about the rest of the prodcut range have you not.

I've often thought however how those guys feel about the advisers-are-scum marketing strategy.

Oh and the 20% thing? I've seen Sovereign beat them on price so I'd double-check any claims you come across on that issue.
On 21 November 2011 at 10:37 am WhereEveryoneGetsABargain said:
There is a place for online life insurance and it's not necessarily bad for advisers as it targets a slightly different market segment and there are potential cross-sells / up-sells.

However, the two most common misconceptions are that it is popular for Gen-Yers and Pinnacle are the cheapest. Gen-Yers tend to do all their research online, but buy after talking to someone... and it's actually the Gen-Xers in their 30's/40's that are the biggest buyers in the online space.

Pinnacle is not always the cheapest either, particularly with the launch of the Warehouse's online insurance that is cheaper than Pinnacle roughly half the time. And what's even better is that it's underwritten by a very reputable insurer!
On 23 March 2012 at 6:06 pm lifer said:
c'mon fella's. Relax!
Commoditisation of insurance is the best thing that can happen. You have already identified that insurance is seldom bought, and needs to be sold.
If commoditisation has more people owning insurance, it lessons the effort we need to put in to "sell" the concept of insurance, and more time to up-sell and add value.
As a comparison, a boutique jeweler I worked with recently surprised me by saying Michael Hill had saved their industry. How come? As he explained, because Michael Hill had commoditised rings and trinkets, the market for niche jewelry exploded.
So Pinnacle is just what we need. They're busy making the pie bigger, as opposed to pinching our slice.
On 23 March 2012 at 11:36 pm Andy said:
Hey guys - you seem to be picking on poor old Pinnacle. Let's look at what they do well for clients:

In terms of FMA requirements, they give sound advice and can justify their decisions... oops, sorry, my bad!

They use the appropriate 2 step process (Sign here and sign this waiver of responsibility!!) to ascertain needs and make reliable recommendations... yup!

They regularly review the client’s situation and amend the plan accordingly, as per FMA doctrines... oops, silly me again...

Pinnacle life genuinely care about their clients and make every effort to forge a good client adviser relationship to ensure the client's needs are met both at review AND claim time... umm - sorry, wrong again...

Thinking to myself... how can they get it so wrong when the rest of us have to get it right to get and retain business, while still satisfying the FMA requirements (and our moral obligations).

Maybe Pinnacle is playing into our hands, and should be seen as an opportunity for those of us who care about the people we meet!

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